From : George Noviss
Reply-To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Sent : April 25, 2006 3:03:58 PM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : RE: [Canada-Mensans] Gifted kids
“Psychology” according to one of the leading textbooks recently on sale in
the University of Toronto bookstore, tends to involve 5 main questions. Why
do we act as we do? How do we know what we know? How do we interact with
others? How do we develop throughout life? How do we differ from each other?
There are 56 references to "intelligence" in the index. There are 24
references to "intelligence testing" in the index. There are 42 references
to "schizophrenia" in the index. There are no references to "literacy" in
the index. There are no references to “gifted children” in the index.
“Gifted children” in a Google search, for anyone who really needs a
headache, will get a list of 2,700,000 pages to read. Click on this to take
a look.
http://www.google.ca/search?as_q=&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=gifted+children&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images
The insanity of education without honest literacy standards has not yet
ended. Claiming that children who learn to read are gifted is about as
idiotic as claiming adults who learn to read are born with high IQ scores.
My name is,
George Noviss
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From : George Noviss
Reply-To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Sent : April 26, 2006 12:00:46 AM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : RE: [Canada-Mensans] Gifted kids
Intelligence, giftedness and IQ scores are merely nonsense interpretations
of the effects of literacy, in my opinion.
My point of view has been appearing in various Mensan publications from time
to time since 1984.
If you are inclined to consider further argument on the matter -
http://www.gnoviss.com/0/z027.html
or
http://www.gnoviss.com
George Noviss
>From: "Diana Sandberg"
>Reply-To: Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
>To: Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Canada-Mensans] Gifted kids
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:10:19 -0700
>
On 25 Apr 2006 at 15:03, George Noviss wrote:
Claiming that children who learn to read are gifted is about as
idiotic as claiming adults who learn to read are born with high IQ
scores.
>
>Eh?
>
>Diana, not entirely following you
>dsandberg@telus.net
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From : George Noviss
Reply-To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Sent : April 26, 2006 11:26:29 PM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : RE: [Canada-Mensans] Re: Gifted kids
The race is not to the swift.
The medium is the message.
The language of success according to my television set is that of a
ten-year-old.
I would say there is a universal truth hiding behind all this:- In the
struggle for existence the advantage is with those who are understood rather
than those who understand. (bell-curve)
ie: the average vocabulary is understood by the widest possible audience.
As to a solution? What is wrong with honest literacy standards? Or
acknowledging that one half of the population is more literate than the
average politician or corporation executive? Or noticing that our brains
function somewhat faster when reading if we don't move our lips? Or noticing
that our hiring committees are continuously replacing the population with
ESL immigrants rather than our own children? Or noting that
life-long-learning is not necessarily a matter of listening to people talk.
IQ scores are not just nonsense. They are a horror story.
George Noviss
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From : George Noviss
Reply-To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Sent : April 27, 2006 6:07:44 PM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : RE: [Canada-Mensans] Re: Gifted kids
Noviss: And literate children are less worthy of consideration - for what
purpose? to be counted as intelligent or to be included in the
workforce?
why?
From: "Manoj Saxena"
Reply-To: Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
To: Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Canada-Mensans] Re: Gifted kids
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:47:55 -0000
--- In Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com, "GGeorge Noviss"
wrote:
>Quote
Or noticing that our hiring committees are continuously replacing the population
with ESL immigrants rather than our own children?
Unquote
Manoj: And ESL children are less worthy of consideration - for what purpose? to be
counted as intelligent or to be included in the workforce?
why?
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From : George Noviss
Reply-To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Sent : April 29, 2006 10:28:13 AM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : RE: [Canada-Mensans] Re: Gifted kids
Intelligence, giftedness and IQ scores are merely nonsense interpretations
of the effects of literacy, in my opinion.
I used to work as a computer techie in an auto parts plant in Mississauga.
The day shift spoke Italian or Portuguese. The afternoon shift spoke
Vietnamese. The night shift used more languages than the tower of Babel.
When the human resources department handed me a list of new hires, I took
great delight in asking if they had all been checked out to ensure they
didn't speak English.
One shouldn't need a degree in trigonometry to recognise that the most
literate 2% of the population is less successful than the 3% known as
morons, idiots and imbeciles.
I just want to point out that the brightest half of Her Majesty's advisors
is usually cancelled out by the half that is the most dim-witted. Of course,
if I was a half-wit, I would think that people who can read were born
mentally gifted too.
Canada has no literacy standards.
George Noviss
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From : George Noviss
Reply-To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Sent : April 30, 2006 12:02:24 PM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : RE: [Canada-Mensans] Re: Gifted kids
--- In Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com, "MManoj Saxena"
>
>There are several issues at play here......Fluency in English is by no means a necessary and only condition to being
intelligent. In fact, most "geniuses" are notoriously short on words and business sense.
SR:
I'm not sure why you say this. In fact, vocabulary is supposed to
correspond pretty well with IQ (maybe bolstering the "literacy"
argument).
Steve the Roney
I agree with all of the above. The only vocabulary totals for languages I
know of are on the first page of “The Story of English.” For English, German
and French – 500,000, 175,000 and less than 100,000. Carl Sagan mentions in
his “Cosmos” that there were more books in China 2000 years ago than in
Europe 500 years ago. The upper 2% of Algonquin speakers would be limited by
the number of books translated into their language and the fact that written
variations of the language are quite recent among other things.
The possibility that the upper 2% of each language for IQ or vocabulary may
vary significantly has not occurred to any educators or psychologists that I
know of. I have seen reports of studies of reaction times to intermittently
blinking lights (use intelligence & reaction time in a Google search) which
suggest to me the possibility of a “pocket IQ meter” (see
http://www.gnoviss.com/1/pocket.html) for use by future Mensan proctors.
This also suggests a way of comparing the thinking proficiency of languages
as well as the investigating the tendency of the human brain to react
quickly to what it hears or what it sees but not necessarily both.
Thirty-five years of bottom-feeding in banks and corporations tells me that
success is the leading indicator of a mediocre ability with words.
George le Porge
http://www.gnoviss.com
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From : George Noviss
Reply-To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Sent : April 30, 2006 7:34:58 PM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [Canada-Mensans] Re: Pocket IQ meter
The first study to come to my attention on IQ vs. reaction times around
1980, mentioned that physically fit athletes had no advantage over couch
potatos and no amount of practice improved their scores.
George Noviss
>From: "tOM Trottier"
>Reply-To: Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
>To: Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [mensa] RE: [Canada-Mensans] Re: Gifted kids
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:22:40 -0400
>
>On Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 12:02,
>George Noviss wrote:
> I have seen reports of studies of reaction times to intermittently blinking lights
(use intelligence & reaction time in a Google search) which suggest to me the possibility
of a "pocket IQ meter" (see
http://www.gnoviss.com/1/pocket.html) for use by future Mensan proctors.
>...
Interesting page. It would be pretty easy to program such a thing for any
computer or pda, though the time resolution might not be to the millisecond. More importantly, you
could have a selectionof cognitive problems.
I think if reaction time were all there is, pro athletes would be much smarter....
tOM
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From : George Noviss
Reply-To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Sent : May 1, 2006 10:13:24 AM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : Re: [Canada-Mensans] Re: Pocket IQ meter
While presumption that the race is to the swift is common enough among
politicians, businessmen and their yahoos; the fact that one of them had
actually proven it, had eluded me.
George Noviss
>From: "tOM Trottier"
>Reply-To: Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
>To: Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Canada-Mensans] Re: Pocket IQ meter
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:23:39 -0400
>Think Fast: Reaction Time and IQ May Predict Long Life
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/media/releases/2005/pr050202.cfm
The researchers learned that those with higher IQ scores lived longer,
a result consistent with
other studies. The study also showed that characteristics
significantly related to death
included male gender and smoking. But Deary and Der also found
something new - faster
reaction times seemed an even better predictor of long life than IQ.
So the reaction time meter is really a longevity meter.
tOM
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Sent : May 4, 2006 11:38:24 AM
To : Canada-Mensans@yahoogroups.com
Subject : [Canada-Mensans] Re: Terrible colours
What's with the newfie muskox?
http://www.gnoviss.com/index/curve1.jpg
http://www.gnoviss.com/2/EEXXPP/6167f.jpg
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